QoSE DWG meeting		
13th February 2018 at 15 UTC
Online

Present:
	•	Ilkka Rinne (IR, Spatineo, chair)
	•	Cindy Mitchell (CM, Natural Resources Canada)
	•	Michael Gordon (MG, Ordnance Survey)
	•	Tom Kralidis (TK, Meteorological Service of Canada)

Meeting minutes

1. Opening

The meeting was opened by IR (chair) at 15:05 UTC

2. Approval of the minutes of the last meeting
The draft minutes of the January meeting were posted by IR on the meeting page on of the group wiki on16th January. The minutes were approved without changes.

3. Status of the QoE Discussion Paper

IR reported that the DWG email vote for approving the TC Motion for recommending the release of the Discussion Paper had ended without any objections. After discussion with Scott Simmons, IR had decided to let Scott start the TC vote for approving the motion also as an email vote, that would take place already before the Orléans TC. The “no objection” TC vote had started the day before the meeting, on 12th February and it’s scheduled to end on 26th February.

CM asked about the updating possibilities for the discussion paper after it has been released. An improved version paper is stated as one of the deliverables of the OGC Testbed 14. She wanted to know if the group would have to go through another voting process to release the updated version. IR replied that since OGC Discussion Papers are not versioned documents, any updates would have to be targeted at a another document if the intention is to publish them as an OGC document.

IR said that one option would be to put down the comments and the proposed updates  as an Engineering Report of the Testbed 14, and use that as an input to evolve the DP into the first draft version of  an OGC Best Practice document for this topic. CM said that feeding the changes into a draft Best Practice paper would probably be the most efficient way to handle them, but that she would first have to see what actually comes out the Testbed 14.

TK asked for a confirmation on whether the next step with this work would be drafting a Best Practice paper. CM and IR agreed, that this was the plan. CM was a bit concerned about the timeline for the Best Practice: she would like to see the Best Practice ready as a result of the 2018 DWG work, but she was not sure if the processing of the Testbed Engineering Reports and the related work would allow that. IR replied that in order to speed things up, it might make sense not to write a separate Engineering Report for the proposed QoE DP changes & additions, because that would have to approved and voted on by the DWG. CM noted that these suggestions and changes would in any case have to reported as deliverables of the Testbed 14 in one way or another, so the group will have the material at hand to start working with the Best Practice draft as soon as the Testbed ends.

IR asked for ideas for getting the discussion going on once the Discussion Paper is out. It would be good to get feedback also in addition to the Testbed 14. TK said that he could circulate the paper in various OSGeo activities. TK mentioned that there is on OSGeo code sprint going at the same time as the Orléans TC, so it would be good to be able to send the DP out to these people before that event. TK said he is going to the code sprint anyway, so he can bring it up there. IR said that the DWG could try to rush the OGC staff in publishing the document. 

4. Work topic progress & status

a. Survey for the most useful QoS metrics

MG said that he’s preparing the survey results summary presentation for the Orléans DWG session as mentioned in the last meeting.

b. OGC Best Practice for providing QoS metadata for OGC Web Services

IR regretted not being able to make much progress on the QoS metadata since the last meeting. He said that he’s still aiming at presenting new results at the Orléans DWG meeting.

He had also exchanged emails with Clemens Portele considering the foreseen OGC service architecture changes related with the upcoming WFS 3.0. Clemens will unfortunately not be able to join the QoSE DWG session on Wednesday, because he’s planning to leave the TC already on Wednesday at about lunch time. He suggested that the interested people from QoSE DWG would join the WFS/FES SWG session on Monday, and that we could create a briefing presentation for the QoSE DWG some time during  Tuesday. Clemens had also promised to create a few slides about the WFS 3.0 architecture to be presented at the QoSE DWG. 

5. March DWG Meeting at Orléans TC, France

IR asked if he already sent information about the Orléans QoSE DWG meeting slot to the DWG mailing list. MG did not recall seeing it on the the list, so IR promised to send this information to the list with a call for presentations.

The time slot for the QoSE DWG meeting is on Wed 21st March at 3:15 PM - 4:45 PM CET. CM confirmed that this time is OK for her to participate remotely. IR presented the  preliminary agenda for the meeting:

	•	2017 QoS survey result summary (Michael Gordon)
	•	QoE Discussion Paper and the Testbed 14 activities (Cindy Mitchell)
	•	QoS metadata Best Practice progress (Ilkka Rinne)
	•	Discussion: Review of the 1st year and the work plan for 2018
	•	Discussion: QoS metrics and declarations in the new OGC service architecture (WFS 3.0, OpenAPI)

No other agenda items were proposed by the meeting attendees.

CM asked if there were any known sessions in the Orléans TC considering the new OGC Web Service architecture that the DWG members should attend to. MG replied that he would attend to the WFS/FES SWG session on Monday, and also the Testbed 14/15 updates session on Wednesday. Possibly also the Future Directions on Tuesday morning.

TK noted that there would probably be a joint session between the OSGeo CodeSprint in Bonn and the OGC TC about  the WFS 3.0 things. TK promised to send a link to the joint session. TK said that he would still dial in to the QoSE DWG session as he would be in Bonn for the OSGeo CodeSprint.
 
6. Any other business

The group decided to cancel to regular March QoSE DWG meeting due to the face-to-face DWG meeting in Orléans on the following week.

7. Closing

The meeting was closed by IR at 15:41 UTC